 Billy cocoa. Hello, good afternoon, missus Grammer. I'm Xue Qing. Hello, I remember I just still remember me. I'm very happy. Yes, how are you? I'm good. And from this week, I start to do the follow up interviews, because I already finished all the interviews in the laboratory, and now is time for the follow up. Yeah so, everything went well. I'm very happy for that. Okay, yeah. What do you want to know? Then I will ask some, I think, for questions. 
Okay, so how do you feel about using the reusable meal a cup in your home? Generally, it's more, it seems crispy. It's not going be soft. So that's a, it's close to good. Yes. Okay then. May I ask, where did you store your cup? I got there. I have it in the kitchen in the in the cost, which is called in Dutch of course. Yes. Cost is with the other things I as with the rice and flour. And it's kind of things they're standing in the nearby. So it's a kind of like the cardboard or the drawer or. Yes, because I don't have enough space to, I don't have a lot of sweets, things in my kitchen, no cookies, and that kind of things. 
So when I have cookies, then I better set put it there, but we don't use that because we want to be very fat. 
How do you feel about the meanwhile useful cup incorporation to your other food containers at home? 
It's I told you before that it is around. There is a circle and my other cups who I put my flower in or macaroni or rice. That's more whole thing, angles, another uh form like5 by 20 in a long, a few. So I don't know the name of that too. 
It fits better because when it's around us space left, you don't use. Yeah, I understand. So most of your other food containers are in the rectangle rectangular of the like, so cool cool. Another thing on the another shape. Yes. Have you already finished all the cookies in the cup? Sorry. 
Again, have you already finished all the coconut cookies in your cup? No, because I don't, II prefer more spicy things, you like spicy, but II got face it. I said, look, I have very nice uh, sweet thing, so you can take it like a cookie. So she likes it, but I don't use sugar things, okay? Because you didn't finish it yet. But if you normally, if you finish the food product in the container, how would you clean your the the container? How do you normally I put i put it in the dishwasher? But this one is not really suitable for the dishwasher, because of the chip on the bottom of the cup. 
So then I watched it by him. Yeah. So do you think it's one issue for you if that is no? No, it's easy. But if you have several New Orleans ball cups in the real life, then you need to watch them by hand. No problem. Yeah. Then if that is possible in our real life, would you like to shop again using the system? 
Sorry, again, no problem. So uh if it is possible in our real life, because now we only test it in the laboratory. But if that is possible in our real life, would you like to shop again using the system? After you maybe have more consideration about it? It now, when the shape is different, so it's more like less to what I told before yeah. Then I will use more, and then I can fill it with rise and faster and this kind of things. Yeah. 
Now one of the important disadvantage is a shape of the country. Yes, for me important. Yeah. Do you think if there is some other kind of troubles for you to use the system? No, no, I think it's very easy um. And I see no other problems. Okay? Then because last time you only brought back a small cup with the cookies, could you imagine if you had brought back several cups, maybe in the different size? Yeah, I use it. Yes, II use that already not in the way you show me to fill in the shop, but I have small ones with herbs, small ones with how you call that not and by pineapple not stick a little one and uh. 
But no, the different shapes is nice. Yeah. If you have several reusable cups, then how do you prepare for the next shopping? Such as how many you ask me how many, right? Or yeah? Such as five or six macaroni rice, maybe coffee, maybe for large one a, little bit higher. And for small one. I yes, I if you have several reusable meal cup, then how would you prepare for your next shopping? Because maybe you need to consider how many cups you need to bring with you when you go to the supermarket. And maybe consider um, what kind of product you want to buy in advance. 
So there are more preparation thinking. I don't know, maybe you prove once a month, I will go back to the store and feel it and um. Yes, some products you need more. Yeah. But I think four of the big one and four of small one, it's enough for me. So you will bring them with you when they are. I clean them. And then I go to the store. Yes. Because what we talked about before us, you put them in the store to get a new one. Maybe that that's for lazy people, but I think I think you can use it many times and you said yes, but there may be there go. The couple will be a little less nice to see. 
But when it's functional and it's close very well, then I don't see a problem. Okay? Yes. And I like it also that. It is clear that you can see what's in it. Yeah, you mean in the refuse station, the large containers, yeah, I remember you told me about this. No, it's not transparent. So you don't know where also the cup. Will you also try yourself container to use the system? Your own container? Sorry, I now my husband is coming home and I don't understand it very well, because he made noise i was standing in somewhere else. Yes, please. 
I I said, will you also bring yourself container your own container to use the system? Do you think you will try that in the real life? Yes, because I have already the good shape and. So it's easier that I don't have to buy new ones. Yes, that's true. Yeah. For now, which would you prefer to use yourself containers or the ones provided by the system uh uh when the shape is different? Mhm. This is, when your company said we make another shape not around, but then I probably will buy them some excellent. Okay, yeah. Understand that. Do you feel your individual actions in the in using the system will have an environmental benefits? I think so, because when you're and just think you tell that to other people and you said now I have a great system now and I go to the shop. 
And then it's a small shopping enables, and I hope I fully sell it and this uh. It works and it's not better for the nature and energy misbehavior in the Netherlands. Yes. So you will also share your experience with the others. Ha ha ha ha, ha ha. Ha ha, that's great. Yeah, a that's very, very interesting that you will also share with others. 
So maybe it's also an encouragement for them to use, yeah. Okay. After having use the system and the cop, do you feel different towards buying products in single use packaging when you go to the supermarket? No. Maybe I feel better person. I don't expect there to say, but maybe yeah i think I am helping the world in my own small way. Yeah. You will feel good to do it through the system. Yeah. Okay okay, then it's my last question. Could you imagine this will become our main shopping approach for groceries in the future? I think that's the only way we have to do it, because it's crazy here how it's now the u s uh, ten choices of rice and all different package. And it's not necessary. Yes. That's true. We have to live in a easier, smaller way. Ii think that's the future we have to do that. 
That's good to know, I hope so too. Yes, then that's all my questions for the follow up interview. Thank you so much for sharing your opinion again with me. Thank you very much for your trying to make the better. And I'm sorry that my English is not no. I can understand that everything you told me it's really good in insights from thanks for your patience, then have a nice evening and weekend. Yeah, you too, lots of success. Bye bye, bye, bye bye bye. 